Home Open Debate

Posted by Home Open Debates | Posted in | Posted on 1:49 PM

 Thank You Everyone who attended last nights Closed Debate. We had a great turn out, and we hope we continue to reach an even larger audience in the future! 
     Last night was just a Closed Debate where people were asked to throw around their ideas on how to make these debates work. Not the actual debate itself. We will have the first Structured and well organized debate next weekend! (Polls to vote on Time and Date are to the Right Hand side of the blog, please VOTE!) 

        Home Open Debates will have everything neat and orderly for the first debate. Kamala_Ona will announce at the beginning of the meeting the layout of these debates and set ground rules before the debates begin. When the debates are underway we ask everyone involved to remember that these debates are ABOUT the ISSUE being talked about and NOT the user speaking themselves so please stay focused on the goal. Please take the time and read over the Home Debates Policy located on the right hand side of this page. We will have a set agenda and itinerary for each debate posted on the blog a few days before each event. So please remember to check the blog weekly. 
   Everyone who is wanting to attend the First Open Debate please let Kamala_Ona know so she can add your name to the list. Everyone is INVITED to ATTEND these debates! 
       We are here to work and establish ways to make home better by finding solutions to the problems as a community. Last night was a rough crash course. It honestly was just a nice closed meeting “test run” if i may call it, to see how the wide range of users would be able to interact with one another. But i believe it went rather well to be honest. Unfortunately because of miscommunication and technical difficulties the Debate/Meeting started late and not everyone who wanted to attend received their invitations on time, or at all. We are sorry for that malfunction and we will make sure it goes smoother next week. 
      Last night we did in fact manage to decide on quite a few questions. Together we decided that everyone will promote these debates as much as possible within home, online, and on the forums. There are TWO signatures being created by Different users (Feel Free To Create your Own As Well) with the two sayings that were decided to be used for these debates.
First
“Communication starts with the Community” and Secondly
“ Don’t Hate . . . . Debate! ”.


Look Forward to seeing these signatures being available for all users in the near future. Please send us a copy of any sigs u make so we can post them for the community to take their pic from! ^_^


 We also decided that Home Open Debates will be holding a debate each week alternating them between Home and in an Online Chat, held in an internet chat room with a specific url so anyone can plug it and join!
 Once every 1st and 3rd week of the month we will be holding the debates on HOME (Time & Day polls are to the side of the page Please Vote)
 and on each 2nd and 4th week of the month we will be holding a debate Online in an OPEN Chat Room (final decision on which site to be used will be announced later this week). This way EVERYONE will have a chance to participate in these debates. 
A clubhouse can only hold about 20 users and a single instance can hold up to 60 (if i am wrong please correct me) and since we are hoping to expand the number of participants in these debates to well beyond that, the number of users allowed to attend a debate will be filled fast. SO for the users who are NOT able to make it in time to the instance we have a solution so you can be included Online, by Home Open Debates streaming the Debates live online. Please watch the debates and feel free to comment on the Blog on your thoughts. 
The Open Online Debates will be a way to have everyone included. Unfortunately not everyone will be able to attend every debate, we do all of course have Real Lives that may interfere with attendance, which is understandable. To those users we have multiple solutions so that you may find out what is happening with the Debates and keep up to date with the topics being covered.
There are multiple solutions available to users to keep connected with these Debates. First we have the Home Open Debates blog, which will be routinely updated, We have the Open Debates held twice a month ON Home, for the users unable to make it to the instance the debates held on Home will be streamed online and broadcasted so viewers can watch the debates as they happen live, The Online Debates being held in a chat room twice a month, and Finally we also will be having the recorded videos of the HOME Debates posted on YouTube after the end of each meeting..

I hope you will continue to work wit us to build HOD wit your effort, ideas, and suggestions as well as votes. Keep checking the side bar for more ways to vote and help shape the Home debates. Also, all week we will continue to post more and more Blog posts submitted by yourselves and your fellow Home users. We hope you will share your voice with us as well and write for Home Open Debates, This is your Blog after all, so write for it! Feel free to contact us about anything or with any suggestions, please Help us!

Also! Check the very bottom of the blog to see a newly added Visitor Counter and to see how many users are online at the moment! Hope u enjoy those! 

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Home Closed Debate TONIGHT

Posted by Home Open Debates | Posted in | Posted on 1:17 PM

Hey Guys and Gals, my privileged and poor, friend and foe, Helghast, ISA, Chimera, SRPA, Valor, Raven, S.V.E.R. (FTW) and the whole cast of West Side Story 
Tonite is our first debate. Granted this debate is a closed debate :*( Put down the razor, dont cut down the lane just yet. The Open Debate (and really our first debate) will be next week, and everyone, including you (please come) is more than welcome! (more info to come in the upcoming week on that)
Tonight is just to get the gears in place and turning. A test run, and a way to gather some of the more frequent users wit maybe some history to work through, before we can work together further in the future. Its kinda like a high school reunion but with the kids from the movie “Carrie”! So dont feel bad if u weren’t invited. In fact, you should feel lucky.                                                       
Because it means you dont have shit personal grievances to work out with other users. Because tonight is just that, a meeting for us try and get through our personal grievances and put all that stuff behind us so Home can once again become the issue. 
So feel glad u dodged that bullet. But if u still feel left out i suggest you just watch a few episodes of A&Es “Intervention” and then you can catch the whole debate on youtube later, i’m sure. And dont forget to save the date for the OPEN DEBATE which will either be friday or saturday. 
But if u were invited, Make sure you except the Club house invitation from 4-Respect GW(2) run by Kimturian!
This is the first and (Probably) last time we will use a clubhouse i think. But if u want to attend, you gotta except. If u didn’t get an invite and swore u were coming, then let us know and we will get u added (unless we secretly dont want u there - joke). 
Here is roughly the plan. The Debate should get under way at 9pm Eastern Time (8pm Central, 7pm Mountain, and 6pm Pacific) Take notice to the nifty little countdown ticker at the top of the blog counting down to tonight, so there is no reason to not see u there. We will also send yall reminders through xmb close to the event. 
Kamala_Ona will host the event and start out wit some opening remarks and set the mood and theme for the night. Then everyone will pick their weapon of choice and take their aggression out.  The one left standing gets a $20 psn card, JOKE, although we might do something like that later. Honestly, knowing nothing goes according to plan, we haven’t put too much concentration behind the exact order and design of how this is going to happen.
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        This is a rough draft for the later event. We are still brain storming. And  everything seems to work fine in theory but in practice its a different matter. This will be the pilot episode for the Open Debate and we want to get everyone to help and contribute their ideas and help format the open debates. But we have a rough idea and guide line where everyone will take turns talking for a minute or 2, then there will be responses for a minute or 2 then the next person will go, k? we will see it how it unfolds. But we got to keep ourselves in line as far as time goes so we can get something done tonite. If some things still are not settled at the end between users, we suggest the conversation be carried onto a personal space where any of us would be glad to mediate if need b so you guys and gals can put whatever it is behind you no matter how long it takes. 
This video kinda sums up how i want and imagine the debates going tonight: 


Oops wrong video, sorry, I meant this one

I hope to see yall there, it should be fun, be prepared to open yourself up to criticism and different views and not only put yourself in the shoes of another, but try and understand their point as well. Look at yourself as critically as others and try to remove any biases that might get in the way. Any questions? Please feel free to Leave them bellow 

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Make Peace - Connected

Posted by Home Open Debates | Posted in | Posted on 12:39 AM

The Following Post was submitted by asoccer           


             So for those who haven't seen my comment on PSN. It says Make Peace-Connected. The Song Make Peace is a kick back jazz tune that follows a certain Melody you can pick out at certain points. How does this relate to home or to ANYTHING? Our Community was Connected and we surely did have moments where we would hold hands in accomplishment (very rarely...) and times where we wanted to cut each others heads off (pasufarin's reaction to me spamming him while he is trophy whoring.)


    Basically, after the huge downfall home had from hack left and hack right just became insane that we lost the managers trust in communicating. Now I take responsibility for what I did back then and I don't deny that I took part in the events that occurred. But that doesn't mean the community has to fall apart. So what a bug or two is in home. Have you not hit X under "Game" and played games like Need For Speed (newest one) and seen how glitchy that game is? Home isn't a game that is true, but you guys think that since your paying for it, you expect it to be perfect. I'm sad to be the one to tell you this, but nothing is perfect. 

     As for this blog, my advice to all users is keep an open mind and idea, don't be afraid to voice it. But take into consideration of those around you and don't be selfish about it. Personally I hope all users can return to home with at least the motivation to keep it alive for some time.
So really, just make peace with each other and Stay connected as well. Don't be afraid to get to know someone.
          
And my final comment: To all who complain about there block list being full; You blocking every users you see ONCE and never again. C'mon they made an ignore button for a reason!
If you wish to contact me: feel free to XMB me on asoccer.
Follow me on http://www.twitter.com/ORP_asoccer 

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Conflict produces Progress

Posted by Home Open Debates | Posted in | Posted on 7:27 AM


The Following Post was submitted by J-T-W-NY


It is a reality that any human organization will produce its fair share of conflict.  We all have different ideas, motivations and agendas and they will at times clash.  We also oftentimes have difficulty articulating what we want and communicating that to others.  Resentments can and do build up within only to be unleashed in inappropriate ways. 


Regular users of Home like us can see that right now there is a fair degree of dysfunction.  There is a tremendous amount of negativity on the forums and in Home itself directed towards management, other users and the program itself. 


One of the signs of a healthy organization is its ability to self govern.  To take its regulation upon itself and to work for constructive methods and solutions for what ails it.  This is the reason why we're motivated to organize the Home Open Debates.  There are many and various reasons why we are in this situation and this is something that we hope to fix.  In time we would like to see participation by those who do actually run Home and the forum, but in the time being we as users ought to get together and discuss the issues that are on our minds and is bothering us.  There is mention of two camps in Home, the "elite" and "rebels."  Labels are not definitive nor particularly descriptive, but are necessary for us to at least get a handle on the situation. 


When Crunkris, Kamala_Ona and I met with Mr_Lochwood and Mrs_Lochwood last Thursday, we suggested to have these debates as a way to at least understand each other and provide a forum to share ways to work together.  It is suggested that the first debate should be devoted to airing personal grievances.  The origin of this conflict can really be dated back to last spring with the region hopping controversy (that is, at least, when I first heard the term "elite" being applied to certain users in Home).  And I don't want to sound too hippy or preachy, but I am hopeful we can achieve some kind of unity on Home after these debates. 

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Becoming a Community

Posted by Home Open Debates | Posted in | Posted on 9:10 PM


The Following Post was submitted by Reverend_M

      I love the idea of having an Open Debate for Home. I've been waiting for something like this, and it's finally here. So first things first: I am very glad to see it, and hope to see it come to fruition.


     The point of the Home Open Debate, is to make Home better all around. This regards the System of Home as well as the Users of the System.


     What I'd like to see happen from the Home Open Debates, is just that: an improvement of Home. From the start of Home to today, my focus has changed from trying hard to help make Home a better place through suggestions and through actually beta testing home all directed to the Home Team, to now focusing on the community of Home itself


     Let's face it, there are tons of things wrong with the System of Home (Glitches, delays, misunderstanding of messages, and major communication issues between the Home Team and the community). In multiple forum posts I've shown how I've had HUGE expectations and hopes for home (probably more than Phil Harrison even), and have yet to see them myself, and have been disappointed in that. However, we can bring those issues to light and that's about all we can do. After that it's in the hands of the Home Team. If they  struggle to "get their act together" so to speak with all the technical issues and whatnot, then I figure why can't the community work on getting its own act together in the meantime?


      So that's what I'd like to see first and foremost as a result of the Home Open Debates: The community getting its act together and becoming an actual community. In all the time I've been in the PS Forums (Since 2002, Reverend_M is my third account), I've definitely seen a change occur. It was gradual at first, but then it seems to have snowballed out of control in the past year especially. This is mostly found in the Home Forum itself of course (though it's relatively new, it's been through changes too). It's turned from simply being a place where gamers came together, to a huge mosh pit of chaos. Of course I think the whole deal about what Home actually is, is partially the cause of that. Home isn't just bringing gamers together. Home is bringing people all over the place, gamers and non-gamers, into the same place. I know several people who go on home, yet don't play video games. So because of the increased diversity of people being brought together, it tends to cause issues a bit more extreme than the other parts of the PS Forums. We have to be honest with ourselves: In it's current state the community is not very friendly overall. It's friendlier on home than in the forums, but still... I believe this is what needs to be worked on and I hope that the Debates will help bring it about first and foremost. Granted, if you ask around, you will probably find a decent number of individuals who will admit that they actually LIKE to bring the chaos, anger, and trouble, and actually prefer to have things heated and all that stuff. That's true . . . that's why Jerry Springer was so popular afterall. But those individuals can't be told to tone down the strife because it's a game to them to see how much they can cause. Instead, the rest of us will have to learn not to let them push our buttons or drag us into the mire along with them. We'll simply continue to carry on doing what we should.


Home
is all about the community. That's the best thing about home! Yet . . . it's also the worst!! One thing these debates WILL help, is to bring a voice to the community. Right now as it is, the forums and other means of communicating our pleasures and displeasures in the service, is like a huge crowd all yelling at the same time. Some are yelling at the Home Team to get their attention, and many are simply yelling at each other. Then those yelling at the Home Team seem to have about a thousand different things being said at once. All in all . . . it's a huge mess of yelling to where NO ONE is heard! Therefore it does more harm than good to the whole thing! Imagine being in a room with just 25 people all talking at once to you, and all at a fairly loud volume. Can you make anything out? Hardly! That's how it seems to be right now. One giant mosh pit where everyone is yelling, some at the right ones, others at the wrong ones, and no one seems to stop a while and get organized. So the Home Open Debates will aim to give the community a VOICE that can actually be heard. A moment to organize thoughts, and work together instead of against each other to bring about change in Home.


One thing
needing to be remembered also is this: Real People use Home. And when you get involved with Real People, you involve something we know as Personalities! And Let's face it, personalities clash! There's absolutely no way of avoiding that. It'll also happen with the debates, so of course not everything will be rainbows and fairies. However, the only thing that becomes a problem is when one personality causes someone to attack another person. THAT, is what needs to be put to an end. We all want Home to be better. Therefore, we need to realize that despite our different personalities, we can and should work together for the improvement of Home (both the system and the community). That means also that we must take other people's personalities into consideration. When they say one thing, we may take it entirely differently from what they actually mean. Therefore part of the improvement of the community is to learn to consider others and not just our own personal selves. Again, Home is entirely about the Community. Without a good community, even a glitch-free Home will be an absolute failure. We can't do much to fix the system of Home beside address the issues and make our voices known to the ones who CAN fix it. However, we DO have the power to fix the community part of home. It won't be easy. It won't happen overnight. However, that's where the word diligence comes into play. We need to work together and keep working together, for as long as it takes to get progress. It'll be worth it, Trust me! So, that's another thing the Home Open Debates aim to do: Help us to consider others instead of just ourselves, and realizing there are different personalities for each person.


        I find that in the forums and in Home, a lot of judgmentalism goes on. Those who've read my posts have
probably heard me say this SO many times, but it's true. People label others far too often, and far too quickly. I'll give you an example. When I first started this account, Reverend_M, I had a person label me as a child predator in the forums because I disagreed with them on something. So they spread a few threads about me like that. Now those who knew me well enough just let the threads fall into the abyss and kept on having some fun right along side me. Fast forward I have people seeing my account name and judging me by that alone, calling me judgmental, hateful, proselitizer, Bible-Thumper, and MANY worse names all before I even spoke a word to them. Of course, when I did speak, they were just about ready to yell RAPE and started once again blacklisting me in the support forums and to mods saying I was "preaching" to them and being very "condescending" to them. Now those who know me know well enough. People see default clothing in home and ignore the person, are report happy for simply their saying the default "Hello," or think they're instantly a perv. Then the opposite happens and people think those who dress up are stuck up or something. Some have seemed to act like all people who use the PS forums are (forgive me for using the word) "elite" even! So the Home Open Debates, hopefully will aim also to get rid of all the judgmental attitudes that have a major presence in Home and the Forums.


       When we realize all those things, we realize that we all are aiming for the improvement of home.
 Some do it in ways we wouldn't consider. Others do it in ways that actually are detrimental and end up making matters worse. But when we get together to talk in a civil manner, we can come to an agreement on working together to improve the community of home. When the community improves, we can then speak with a loud, clear voice that will actually be heard, and bring to light the issues of the system of Home.


      We all want the same thing. So therefore, let's all work together for the same goal. Instead of everyone individually trying to go about that goal in their own selfish way and taking out anyone who gets in their way, we need to stop, listen to each other, and figure out how to work together in unity. A mosh pit of yelling people who attack each other can turn into a largest, organized band who is heard loud and clear all around the world. Each person having their own personality and part, but working together with the others.


       After reading the other posts on the blog below, I figure that they already said other points and I say I agree! So I won't get into talking about constructive criticism versus complaining, or flaming versus disagreeing, and so forth. All I say is, "QFT," I agree! Besides, I'm sure my book has given you enough eyestrain already! I hope to see you all in the forums, and in Home!


And I hope you can add your own support in bringing improvement to Home!

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A Call to Arms!

Posted by Home Open Debates | Posted in | Posted on 8:44 AM


  
The Following Post was submitted by D_Sanders

Many of you may not know me, but I am an avid Home user and post on the forums when I have time (which is limited). If you have ever read the “Night Owls” thread, I’m in there every week during maintenance. Anyway on to what this post is about, the Home Open Debates. In my opinion the Home Open Debates (HOD), have two main missions. 1, to see that the community is brought together and 2, to see that Home is made a better place for all. I’m sure that is what we all really want, but changes are going to be hard for some. I hope we can set aside our differences and reach these common goals.


I would like to start off by saying that we, as Home users, have a great community. We have so many people that bring so many unique things to Home and the forums and we have the potential to do great things.


Now I’m not saying that we are great at letting all these people and ideas be heard. Some of us seem to just post to disagree with others. We need to put the negativity to rest. We need to follow the old saying, “If you don’t have anything good to say, don’t say anything at all”. I have seen many new comers (from Christmas season) look to the forums as a place to let their ideas be heard, only to have their hopes buried by the negativity. But, on the other side of things, if we only said what a great idea someone had, and never really disagreed with anything, we would still be back where we were 1 year ago, with little happening in Home and nothing spectacular on the horizon. I will admit the first month of open beta was terribly boring. We need to bring constructive criticism and refine the ideas that people have. I do not know of anything within Home, or anywhere, that was created from an original idea from one person. We add to ideas, and take away from ideas, and create totally new ideas from what one person says. This is a natural creative process that has lead Home to be where it is today. Without the communities input, the HCM’s and Home Dev’s would just be pumping out the same thing every week, in a different color of course (who doesn’t love T-Shirts though). But when we drown those new ideas in the drama and negativity, the HCM’s don’t even want to read through and try to find the great ideas that everyone has. The HCM’s have all but left the forums entirely because of us.


As I read through the Home boards tonight, I see 8 negative threads about Home, and how it’s not like the Sims or someone complaining about the smile of the avatars, or someone wanting the block list to be bigger. This just shows me that we have no idea what we want to see in Home, but only what we don’t want to see in Home. I’m not saying Home is perfect, but only so much can be done at one time. Most of these negative things have been discussed so many times and they just bring out the negativity in everyone, and then everything snowballs out of control. So out of the 15 non-stickied threads on the front page, there are 8 negative threads. What does that show about our community? Is this how we want to be portrayed? When a new user comes along to ask a question, someone always seem to just say “use the search at the bottom of the page”, or something condescending about the person asking the question and how stupid they are. Why not, instead of being so negative, just answer the question posted by the user, and then explain to them that there is a search feature. Not everyone is this way, and there are some great people out there that are always helpful, but we should all strive to be this way.


If I were new to PS3 and Home, and saw what a mess these boards were, I would not ever want to come back. And with those people that leave and never come back, goes great ideas and new creative thinking. Let’s all be more constructive and help everyone out. Then, maybe if we all can do this together as a community, the HCM’s will eventually come back and Home will improve significantly for it. We drove the HCM’s away, so let’s show them we want them back.


I’m not saying that we need the HCM’s to get anything done in Home, but they act as a great communications link between the developers and us, the community and users of Home. Let’s not lose them forever, because then we will have lost what we want most, for Home to succeed.


Along with all the negativity that needs to stop, we need to stop saying something is a great idea because of who posted it. What if the forums were completely anonymous, would most of us be there, think about it, I’m sure the answer is, no, we would not be there. For some, without their name on something, they don’t feel like they have contributed and don’t feel like they should even post there good ideas. With this also beings up the fact that some people just get kudos because of who they are. (more on elitism later) This needs to also come to a stop. In my opinion the kudos system is a complete waste in the Home forum now. Kudos are for good ideas, not personal stories about why you like home and what it has given to you. This quote is from the Kudos FAQ on the forums, “When you give Kudos to a message, you are offering a thumbs up for good content and a pat on the back to its author. Your Kudos help to boost the value of certain messages and enhance the reputation of their authors.” This is what kudos are about, nothing more. We should boost the value of ideas, not people’s ego. I challenge all of you to think before you click that kudos button and try to come up with a reason of why you are clicking it. If you can’t come up with a valid reason, then don’t click it.

Well that was a long rant, but it’s over. Now on to this Home Open Debate thing, HOD for short (The names not that bad CRUNKRIS)

If we are ever going to get anywhere with anything, we need to bring an end to all the “elite” talk and just talk as a group of Home users. This great product has brought us all together, and no matter what we do in real life, what we act like, or how old we are, we all have something in common, Home. I remember back to when closed beta was happening and everyone was thinking about how much potential home had, and how it was going to be amazing from day one, and it would never be bad. Well as with anything new, there will be rough spots. And these rough spots have torn apart our community. We need to reform back together as one, and the HOD probably have the best chance to get most everyone back together. No more name calling, no more questions of which mod to you hang out with, just normal users that can hang out and have fun. These open debates will allow the Home users to talk with other Home users so that we can all set aside our differences and come to an agreement, and show that we all really just want the same thing, for Home to be successful.

I call on all Home users and Forum goers to work together and show the HCM’s and Sony that we can get along and that we do want Home to be great. Let’s all set aside our differences and let Home be our main focus from here on out. We can be one and Home will be great. 

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Forum Unity and Respect

Posted by Home Open Debates | Posted in | Posted on 11:17 AM


The Following Post was Submitted by the Lochwoods

Forum Unity and Respect


     It has become painfully obvious that the forums have lost any real value for communicating our ideas and complaints to the Home Community Management Team and to each other. Set aside the constant trolling and flaming, the simple lack of peoples ability to be tactful in the way the express their opinions has led the management team to withdraw from the forums to a great degree. I think we can all agree this is neither our desire or what is best for Home or the future use of the forums as a means to truly express or opinions, desires and complaints. I am not placing all of the blame on us as the managers have chosen to withdraw to the extent they have, however I can really hardly blame them.
     To this end I and the users listed at the end of this post agree that our behavior must change on these forums if we expect to be heard and replied to. We believe the following.

                1. We must stop expressing our dislike of an idea by flaming, trolling or otherwise baiting the author or those who post replies the                    author or idea.
    2. We must leave personal grievances off of the forums as personal issues between users is not what these forums are for and they should not be use so.
    3. We must do our best to be aware of the current ideas on the forums and respect previous authors and their ideas instead of posting a new thread identical to theirs. Spam.
    4. We need to be aware also of the current problems and concerns being discussed and give our support to the ideas and concepts we believe in.
    5. Ten thousand ideas are wonderful and are encouraged as no ones opinion should be discarded off handedly; however, we need to learn to be aware of current events on Home and the forums and try to stand as one on a single issue and get it pushed through to the management by our overwhelming agreement.
    6. We would also like for the management to be more communicative and work with us on the issues that are foremost in our minds as expressed by us as a united group.
    7 We also feel we must hold ourselves to the same standard to which we hold the management. Their posts are respectful and ours should be as well.

     We believe that this is the only way we can make any progress toward the true communication with the management we are all so much desiring. We would like to ask everyone to join us in this and work toward a better forums and a better Home for all.




The following users agree to the above ideas: 
Mr_Lochwood
Mrs_Lochwood

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Code of the Samurai

Posted by Home Open Debates | Posted in | Posted on 12:12 AM

The Following Post was submitted by CRUNKRIS


Well i think a weak link in home is elitism.
Everyone is in agreement now that this whole elitism thing is old. Elitism, and the talks about elitism, have done nothing but hurt home. Of which i can cite much proof (mostly im my opinion at the fault of the acts of elitism themselves and not so much the talking that followed), So lets get rid of it! Finally, and firstly, lets get rid of Elitism so we can move on to bigger and better things together.
This means we stop using the term. Stop giving power to the concept. We all know that no user is any better than another, even tho we all know we are the coolest person we know and how much we totaly pwn everyone else. Not to mention how good we look in front of that mirror :D
But if we really want to get rid of elitism we are going to have to stop the debate sometime. Otherwise it will live on as long as our words bring life and attention to it.


I love how alot of people who dislike A site or A person or what not try and put out the fire  by throwing vodka on it (im assuming some of you are drinking it while typing, at least thats the pass im giving yall) Your vodka isnt gonna help put out the fire, u just added fuel to it. By responding or initiating, you are only feeding the "monster" u wanta slay wit ur anger driven responses.
And to much a degree i have come to see that the same can be said about the Elite debate. If we want the fire to die, we gotta stop stoking it eventually! So lets stop there. Now im not saying we go Cold Turkey on this. Lets give it a week or 2 (or month) to settle and finally leave behind that discussion. As im well aware i hold most the blame for coining the term "elite" on the forums and such. And im sorry i created such a monster. However, at the time it was necessary, and was needed in order for us to address the issue of what i still find a serious problem in home, but hopefully now, we can finally accomplish the task we first sought to complete. And that is to rid Home of elitism. And i think that time has come. So im asking for us to slowly let that word and its mindset and anger associated wit it slowly leave us. Bury it wit Buggie (bastard).

Now, im not saying we leave behind the term so we can just call it something different (although i wanta use the term "The Plastics" from Mean Girls realy bad!.) Im saying we say goodbye to Elitism all together: the concept, the attitude, the corruption, the actions, the term, the mind set, and the Home experience. All of it must Go. Im asking people here to let go of the term and the discussion, and to a degree stop looking for it and keeping it alive. But To all users of Home and the users in question we are asking for alot more. We are asking for a return to the normal home user experience. We are grounding these people and ourselves.
"This is earth calling shaddy, Come back Down man!"
We dont need to talk to managers or Mods to feel special. We dont need a list full of big shots and we dont even need to ever see a MOD on home our entire time on Home to enjoy it. Behind every user there is a good time. There is no need to self assert oneself or have a need to connect to Home staff or people integrated well wit Home. Just make friends wit people and have fun wit them. Just as we dont need to fill any holes in our lives wit attempts to make ourselves more special on Home through our connections or friends, or what not, just be happy wit the Home experience everyone else has. A MODs job is to Moderate home, not dance wit you or be on ur friends list. There are plenty of other people to befriend. Same about the HCV (that shirt is helluva Ugly anyways, and some of them NEVER take it off to wash it). Be happy wit you and content wit the same experience and Home everyone else knows. No reason to reach above yourself and those around you. My favorite quote is when people say "Celebrities are just people like you and me" or some variation of that. Great, if so, then why do we give them attention? If they are just like everyone else, it means i've got celebrities living next door and across street. Why do i wanta stock a celebrity if they are just as normal as that kid that bumps into u purposely at school just to feel all God damn over you. Stop looking to the stars for friends, when one falls it will crush you on impact. And you'll miss all the people walking past you as you await ur fate. We gotta set ego aside, home needs us, not gladiator battles between us(some one please put Gladiator battles in the Suggestion thread cause that would kick ass).
So its gonna be tuff for both sides. For Home, elitism must go, it serves no one any good. The Plastics are tired of being called Elites and i think we are tired of calling them Elites. So a challenge to us to stop the debate and the mud slinging, but its not all unicorn rides on the other side either. We are all gonna have to humble ourselves. We are gonna have to change our Home experiences and action in order to get out of the way of homes progress. That means lifestyle changes for many users, and destroying or sacrificing ones ego for Home is no easy task. Its gonna be painful. We r gonna be martyrs for Home, killing our egos, so Home can once again shine through the clouds (egos) that once blocked its rays. If the elites are willing to humble themselves cause they are sick of the never ending battle, then we should be able to humble ourselves as well.

I think we plan on having the first closed debate/set up meeting this saturday. Then i think we r gonna try and hold the first Home Open Debate (or H.O.D. as my Girlfriend "Kamala_Ona" likes to put it, but how lame is HOD? very, its not a long enuf word to abbreviate, but anyways) the following saturday. I hope everyone will attend. We are gonna put Home above ourselves for these debates and hopefully we can over come "elitism" and "rebel" (who the hell coined the term rebel?) and work solely for Home. Me, Kamala_Ona, the Lochwoods, J-T-W-NY, Jim777, and many others are gonna set aside our differences, reach a common ground, and Let Home return to main focus of our combined efforts. Wont you join us? You dnt have to become friends wit anyone, in fact i dnt plan on making any new friends, we r only coming for solutions.


Its gonna be Blood and Tears (which make me Hot) and its got me excited. We need to fall on our swords to preserve the honor of our Clan (Home).

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